…and I figured out my glycogen problem.
I haven’t posted in a while on Carb Back-Loading or Carb-Nite Solution because of my current Paleo experiment. (I love learning about how my body responds to food, and nutrition fascinates me.) But when it comes to eating a Paleo diet, most back-loaders and carb-niters know you actually eat very Paleo-ish (minus the no-dairy rule) during the “prep phase” and pre-workout hours. In fact, to get Carb Back-Loading and Carb-Nite Solution to work properly, one must eat extremely low carb pre-workout. Paleo is extremely low carb.
Now let’s back up to my experience with both Carb Back-Loading and Carb-Nite Solution. I experimented with back-loading for about three months and then carb-nite for about three months after that. During the back-loading stage, I got STRONG–like breaking through plateaus strong. But I also never really saw myself get leaner either. This is not a flawed system though–even Physicist DH Kiefer himself says that if not done properly, you’ll get FAT on the back-loading plan. To figure out “what’s proper” for each individual is tougher than any other part of Carb Back-Loading. Well, in my opinion anyway. For example, men can obviously eat more carbs than women. Men burn carbs faster than women. That’s why some women have better success on the Carb-Nite Solution plan because their bodies actually store carbs up to three and four days at a time. On the Carb-Nite Solution plan, people are encouraged to eat carbs once a week, instead of 4-6. So figuring out whether you should follow a back-loading or carb-nite plan takes some time. I tried eating carbs every night, every other night, three days a week, and then once a week–when I switched over to the Carb-Nite Solution plan.
Why the focus on carbs? When eaten at the wrong time, carbs spike insulin levels, turning off our blood sugar stabilization, and preventing us from burning fat. And isn’t fat loss the goal of most people reading this right now? But carbs are also efficient fuel for our muscles’ next workout and should be consumed post workout to build up properly. So the big question for individuals is “how many carbs do I need for MY body and MY goals?”
My goals are simple: get strong and lean. Ok, they’re not that simple; most people can’t do both. The process of figuring out this body of mine has taken YEARS and it hasn’t stopped yet. It actually took until about two weeks ago–when I started this Paleo journey–to pinpoint just how efficiently my body stores–and uses–its carbs/glycogen reserves. For me, this has shed SO much light on back-loading and carb-nite plans. I can now figure out WHEN my body needs carbs and just how many carbs I should take in to become stronger, stay leaner, and build muscle.
Now that you know a little more about the difficulty of carb consumption in the body, let’s back up even further. Before one can even start a carb back-loading or carb-nite plan, he/she MUST complete a “Prep Phase.” The prep phase is simple: eat under 30 grams of carbs per day and make sure those carbs come from vegetable sources. DO NOT ingest anything that spikes insulin or the prep phase is, well, ruined. No sugar or most substitutes, no fruits, fructose, glucose, yada, nada, and all the other ways to consume carbohydrates. Just pure vegetable forms. The goal is to deplete the body of carbs. It’s sort of like a cleanse…you’re cleansing the body of carbs. Your body enters a state of ketogenesis and you begin to feel weak, sluggish, and mentally drained. That’s when you know you’ve done “it.” You’re successfully carb-depleted. Now you must let your ketones become your fuel source (a process in which your body switches from burning carbs for energy to burning body fat for energy) and sit tight for another day or two.
Then, almost miraculously, you bust right out of this grogginess and suddenly you are stronger, smarter, and much more energetic. The feelings are amazing. You did it! You depleted your carbs, your body is burning fat for fuel, and you’re on your way to muscle-building heaven. It’s a tough process, but when it’s over, you can start back-loading or carb-nighting so that you can re-fuel your muscles as needed according to your personal glycogen-storing abilities.
Here’s my dilemma: When I first started backloading and carb-nighting, I think I took in too many carbs. Actually, I know I did. Even when I switched to eating carbs only once a week, I still indulged so heavily that I felt bloated for four days after and didn’t even begin to feel normal until it was time for my next carb nite. I followed the rules…super low carb during the other six days, and one evening of splurges. I just couldn’t get lean. How could one evening undo a whole week of greatness–especially when everyone else was having so much success on the plan?
So for Lent this year, that’s when I decided that I would take on a Paleo challenge. I would eliminate everything from my diet but green vegetables, meats, and eggs. I would eat clean enough to drop a few pounds, and re-evaluate my carb-nite plans.
The first few days of anything new and different are always challenging and for anyone. I struggled for a week trying to figure out what I could snack on since I had decided to give up almonds too. (I’m slightly obsessed with them so I knew I’d rely on a diet of almonds unless I didn’t stop those as well.) When day eight of my Paleo challenge rolled around, I thought I was in hell. My workout sucked. I couldn’t flipping jump a jump rope. I couldn’t do more than one pullup in a row. Seven deadlifts felt like 700. WTF was wrong with me? At work I moved in slow motion. I couldn’t think. I taught a kettlebell class later that evening without enthusiasm (definitely NOT like me). On the drive home, when all I could think of was my bed, it dawned on me…I hit my carb depletion. My “hulk effect” was RIGHT around the corner! Yes!
At home I told Erik what I had discovered. I know why I suck today! I’m officially carb depleted! And then it hit HIM as well:
“Steph, you ate sushi for dinner eight days ago. It took you eight days, seven CrossFit workouts, three bodyCOMBATs, and some heavy lifting to burn off one plate of sushi and a couple egg roll appetizers.”
OMG he was right. I had been eating ultra low carb before my pre-Paleo sushi splurge, so I knew I was pretty carb-depleted before I even embarked on this new challenge. What light this shed on my understanding of my body and how it stores carbs! I’ve always said that I’m the person who looks at the donut and gains five pounds. I’ve always said that I’m the person who eats cleaner than anyone I know and one pizza night ruins two weeks of training. Not many believe me…only my OBGYN took me seriously enough to have me tested for thyroid issues–which came back negative. My incredibly fast weight gain and even harder time shedding fat made sense for the first time in my life. Kiefer said that women hold onto glycogen longer than men, and some women longer than others. Ding Ding Ding! I am that woman. I am the one who can’t carb back-load every night because I store my carbs no matter WHAT I’m doing in the gym. Unless….unless I eat very, very few of those carbs when I do have them. Hence, my Paleo challenge.
For the past 14 days (and I plan on making it to 40 days) I’ve given up anything that isn’t a green vegetable or a protein source. I’ve given up all dairy, even almost all nuts and seeds. (I’ve had pumpkin seeds once in order to ensure I was getting enough “good fats” in my plan.) I’ve also had a lot of coffee, too. If you want to read about my day-by-day experiences, visit the forum HERE. But long story short, here are my results so far:
- My clothes are getting looser
- I feel stronger
- I have less cravings for “bad foods”
- I have more energy
- My mood is better–once I made sure to take my vitamins
- I feel healthy from the inside out
I think the last bullet is what makes the Paleo diet stand out for me. A Carb Back-Loading and Carb Nite plan allow the dieter to splurge on sweets and for most people, these sugars contribute to anabolic gains, leading to muscle building and fat loss. Maybe if I could control these splurges, I’d be ok with sweets too. Unfortunately, I haven’t mastered this control yet. I’d almost rather have a larger sushi meal than a 1/2 cup of ice cream. (Did I seriously just say that?) But I think that’s what it’s going to boil down to for me. I can’t eat as many carbs as most people, and when I do eat them I’m going to have to be selective to get the best results for ME. Plus, I enjoy feeling “clean” on the inside. Paleo allows me to feel this way. But I also know that my body needs fuel. When my 40-day experiment is over, I plan to include ONE meal once a week (or every other week) that involves white rice or sweet potatoes for glycogen replenishment. I also plan on adding no more than one serving size of almonds back into my diet…not three or four. I know that this still sounds pretty damn strict to most people, but I think what I have to get through my head is that I’m not most people. I’ll just have to save all my sugar splurges for very special days–like holidays–and be extra cautious in the meantime.
If you’re like me and you’re struggling with finding the right balance of carbs, my suggestion is to do two prep phases. Yeah, I know that sucks. But go ultra low carb until you know you’ve depleted your stores–6-9 days, eat a carb-heavy meal, and prep AGAIN until you’ve depleted them once more. Count your days in between and take notes on your exercise routine. How many days did you lift and how many days did it take to get past the sluggish feeling? Does it take you four days? If you want to maximize your fat loss efforts, my suggestion would be to carb-load on the 5th. Does it take you eight days like me? Carb-load every ninth day. I’m no DH Kiefer, and I’m definitely no physicist either, but I’m an expert when it comes to my body and food. I like clean eating, Paleo seems to work well for me, and the theory of a cleaner, gluten free carb-nite every eight days or so will probably be my best route.
Once Lent is over, I plan on diving into more research on insulin response in accordance to fat loss goals, and how blood sugar stabilization works to regulate our weight loss efforts. I’m starting to believe–after YEARS of experimenting on myself–that stabilizing my insulin and keeping my hormones at bay are what drives my body to work optimally. Fueling at the right time with the right foods are going to be key for us all, and figuring these issues out fuels my passion in the nutrition field.
We want to know here at Strong Figure, what has been your most challenging moment throughout your experiences with Carb Back-Loading, Carb-Nite Solution, or eating Paleo? Please share your experiences in the comment section below!
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As always, loved the content and how you explained everything. I knew when I suggested Carb Backloading to you last year, that it was going to be a journey. I am impressed that you actually stuck with it and then jumped onto Carb Nite to test that method. I have always said that you have to find what works BEST for YOU…and only you because everyone is different with regards to the intake of carbs, fats, protein, how much cardio is required, genetics, etc. It seems like you are figuring it all out. I have enjoyed your journey thus far and can’t wait to see what is farther down the road as you continue to bust through plateaus.
Thanks Randy! I’m so glad you introduced me to CBL! I feel like learning all about insulin and blood sugar stabilization has made the BIGGEST impact on the way I view food and how/when to eat it. I’ve loved experimenting with both CBL and CNS and it really is interesting learning so many things not just about myself but how everyone seems to be so different from one another. I’m secretly jealous that CBL works so well for Erik–well, I’m jealous of the cookies he keeps in the fridge–but I’m just happy to have figured out so much for me. How’s that shoulder coming along, and what plan are you following currently?
Hi, I have a question. So I am on day 3 of cns and I feel fine. But the day before I started this I had a huge carb day to get ready lol. Each meal had carbs in it such as banana, sweet potato, and bread then that night I had frozen yogurt with literally all of the toppings. About 2 hrs later I had 4 large slices of stuff crust pizza and two cheesy bread sticks. Yes it was a lot of food and I felt like crap. But I was so surprised that the next day I didn’t really feel too bloated or anything. So my day one of cns was way different with the low carbs. So right now I’m wondering if my first carb nite should have dirty carbs. I keep hearing that people get better results with dirty carbs then the clean ones. Thanks
I think it all depends on your genetic makeup. I personally get better results on “cleaner” carbs but I choose white rice and sweet potatoes–they are still high glycemic carbs that work the same way that a donut or a slice of cake works. I like cleaner carbs like that because I can eat low fat with those carbs–usually when having ice cream or cake or something, you’re taking in a lot of fat too, and I prefer to leave fat out of a carb-loading period. This is just personal preference for me–my body doesn’t digest food quickly and I tend to store carbs longer than normal so I think I need cleaner carbs. If you ate 4 pizza slices, bread sticks, frozen yogurt with toppings, sweet potatoes,etc., and didn’t feel bloated the next day, then A) I’m extremely jealous–lol, and B) I say you are probably one of the lucky ones who can get away with the “dirtier” carbs. What it’s really going to boil down to is a lot of experimentation on your part. If you eat this way and get results, go for it! If you start to see weight gain, back off and start with a new prep phase and think about cleaning up the carbs or just eating smaller portions.
Btw–pizza, frozen yogurt, and sweet potatoes? Are you my twin?! These are my fave cheats!!
Hi Rosalinda! You have a great question and honestly I’m not 100% sure how to answer. All I know is how CBL and CNS has worked for me and I am very genetically predisposed to fast weight gain. The healthier and cleaner carbs definitely work best for me but I know a lot of women who do in fact have better success with the “dirty” carbs! I would just experiment for a while. Try a cycle of dirty carbs for CNS and if you like your results then I say you are one if the lucky ones! If you don’t like what you see, try the cleaner ones. I know for me, it very much depended on portion size and the cleaner the better. It may be very different with you!
Oh how I love Google for leading me here….I have been doing CF for 3 years now and have been eating Paleo for about that long as well, and spent 8 weeks back in the summer on CNS. The scale dropped 10 pounds but according to the dexa scan I had before and after, my body fat started at 36.2% and ended at 36.6%. I lost 7 pounds of lean mass and only 3 pounds of fat! I have a history of PCOS and low carb has helped get that under control, but I quit CNS when I saw that 1) my body fat virtually didn’t move, despite the change in the scale and 2) I lost a lot of strength in my lifts at the box. (My 1RM deadlift went from 235# down to 205#) and I was constantly getting gassed during my workouts. I’ve been thinking about CBL but according to everything I am reading, I’m at too high of a body fat to do that, so I’m thinking about dabbling in another go-round with CNS but keeping my carb nites much cleaner than I was before, and possibly upping the carbs a bit on the days I do work out and work them around my training. So I guess a hybrid CNS/CBL? I keep finding all of these blogs about CNS and Crossfit, but none with results of how they ended up with when they finished a round of it!
Hi Rebecca! I think a CNS plan built around the healthy, almost paleo-ish carbs might be your best bet. I know when I stick to low carb I get best results and a carb refuel definitely helps me but only the cleaner kinds and not an over indulgence. It has taken me a couple years to really pin-point just how sensitive I am to carbs and how much more sensitive I am with the “bad” kinds vs a sweet potato or something like that. Good luck and keep us posted!!
How do I know how many grams of carbs I should consume? Post workout? And for Load night? I love reading this thread..I’ve gained 4 lbs (not svelt) by toying with CBL..and am frustrated. Thanks..33 yr old female, fitness trainer, beginner-lifter
Hey Oleha, a lot of it depends on when you workout and your workout/diet schedule. CBL recommends lifting in the 4-6pm range for a typical person’s schedule. So based on that schedule, in the first hour after heavy lifting do a 2:1 carb to protein ratio. If you are taking in 25 grams of protein for your post workout meal than 50 grams of protein should be sufficient. Just make sure it is a really simple carb that can process quickly — yeah sugar works here. Personally, I use dextrose or a dessert treat I have been craving. Also, most women cannot get away with as much when following CBL. I would recommend still staying close to whatever your total calorie intake should be. Fat doesn’t work too well with the post workout insulin spike (which is why you have to get all of your fats pre-workout) so if you are limiting those calories you should be fine taking in a good dose of FUN insulin spiking carbs. Just try to stay away from the crap — high fructose corn syrup, synthetic trans fats, etc… Good luck and keep us posted. This is a plan women have to adjust and cater to their bodies. You may want to start with smaller carb loads and progress to bigger.
And if you are doing just one load a week (CNS style) then you can get away with a lot more especially if you are eating low carb the rest of the week. But if you load after every lifting session then I definitely recommend starting cleaner with your carb intake — sweet potatoes, browning bananas…
And don’t forget beginning lifters will gain weight — pay attention to how you look and feel not what the scale says. Lean muscle mass does weigh a lot but it looks GREAT!
Thanks for the reply! Definitely going to look at keeping the carb nites cleaner for sure. Going on vacation on Friday but I think I’m ready to recommit and give it another shot.
Awesome! Jealous of a vacation 😉 Enjoy yourself and then let us know how your experiment goes!
What do you mean by “keeping my hormones at bay”? That sounds like you think your hormones are harming you…
Hi Ruby Red,
If your hormones aren’t in a good balance it can really affect weight loss and gain, not to mention mood stabilization, etc. So when I mention hormones–especially talking about food–I mean that too many carbs or too much sugar or too much protein or too many fat grams at any given time can cause an imbalance in hormones and can stall your efforts in achieving whatever it is you’re trying to achieve–be it weight gain, loss, a good mood, etc. Dr. Barry Sears founded the Zone Diet upon hormone stabilization and says that when you have the exact ratio of protein/carbs/fat needed for YOUR body, everything seems to balance out–find its perfect harmony. 🙂
Thanks for responding. I’ve definitely done my fair share of reading about hormones, food, sleep and activity, but too often people use phrases like “hormones out of whack” or “hormone imbalances” but few people actually seem to know anything beyond that or can explain what an excess or a dearth of a specific hormone would look like symptomatically. It’s at this point that these posts aren’t terribly instructive.
I think the phrase “hormones at bay” is inaccurate and for those who haven’t done the reading, they might actually assume that one wants “fewer” hormones instead of a balanced system… whatever that means.
I’m not ripping on the post or the blog… overall, it’s good stuff. I just want to see better and more accurate writing in this field. There are a few areas that are falling prey to a new version of conventional wisdom that’s not based in reality or in clear explanations.
Hmmm…I never thought about it from this point of view…some of my blogs are more of a personal outlet/almost journal-type where I’ll fall into more of a stream-of-consciousness style of writing; while others we try to make more informative, scientific, and specific. Regardless, cliches are never good…I’ll try to be more aware of my usage! Great point!! Thanks for reading!
And this is Steph not Erik 🙂